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		<title>By: Appelogen &#187; My two cents</title>
		<link>http://pascal.vanhecke.info/2006/03/10/sitedeals15-released-im-in/#comment-142582</link>
		<dc:creator>Appelogen &#187; My two cents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 06:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] geshowd. We treffen eenmalige gebruikers: Wim op 7 seconden, Vorkmans bij Pietel, Acer op Blonko, BVLG bij Pascal Vanhecke en Kerygma op Gentblogt én Smetty (oppassen meid!). Coolz0r is op dit vlak een nestbevuiler. En [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pascal Van Hecke</title>
		<link>http://pascal.vanhecke.info/2006/03/10/sitedeals15-released-im-in/#comment-1955</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal Van Hecke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;On quantity versus quality&lt;/strong&gt;:
With quality I mean links from high-pagerank sites.  It is assumed Pagerank is roughly logarithmical: 7 ten times more important than 6, hundred times more important than 5, etc...  So 1 link from a Pagerank 7 site values more than 10 links from Pagerank 5 sites (without taking into account other factors such as the link text, keyword relevance etc...).  Yes, every link is valuable, but if you have limited time, it's probably not worthwile putting a lot of energy in obtaining links from obscure sites.
(BTW: the factor ten is both an exaggeration and a simplification, see &lt;a href="http://www.siteall.com/guide/study3.htm"&gt;these&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.siteall.com/guide/study4.htm"&gt;pages&lt;/a&gt; for more detail)

&lt;strong&gt;On domains&lt;/strong&gt;:
You have put your page on a subdomain of an already established, trusted Pagerank 5 domain: startplezier.nl.  Nothing wrong with that!   It would have been a lot more difficult to obtain good results if you had registered a new domain.  It is assumed Google puts new domains in a "sandbox", a quarantaine period, before letting them weigh high in search results: http://www.webpronews.com/ebusiness/sitepromotion/wpn-3-20040826WhatisTheGoogleSandboxEffect.html

&lt;strong&gt;On meta tags&lt;/strong&gt;:
They're important because they help you to determine the way your entry is presented in a search results page.  But Google ignores meta tags for ranking.  And has been doing so for years:
http://searchenginewatch.com/webmasters/article.php/2167931

I know it's a bit weird I'm arguing over this since you have won and the winner knows better anyway, but I wanted to at least clarify my points :-)  Enjoy the Ipod Shuffle!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>On quantity versus quality</strong>:<br />
With quality I mean links from high-pagerank sites.  It is assumed Pagerank is roughly logarithmical: 7 ten times more important than 6, hundred times more important than 5, etc&#8230;  So 1 link from a Pagerank 7 site values more than 10 links from Pagerank 5 sites (without taking into account other factors such as the link text, keyword relevance etc&#8230;).  Yes, every link is valuable, but if you have limited time, it&#8217;s probably not worthwile putting a lot of energy in obtaining links from obscure sites.<br />
(BTW: the factor ten is both an exaggeration and a simplification, see <a href="http://www.siteall.com/guide/study3.htm">these</a> <a href="http://www.siteall.com/guide/study4.htm">pages</a> for more detail)</p>
<p><strong>On domains</strong>:<br />
You have put your page on a subdomain of an already established, trusted Pagerank 5 domain: startplezier.nl.  Nothing wrong with that!   It would have been a lot more difficult to obtain good results if you had registered a new domain.  It is assumed Google puts new domains in a &#8220;sandbox&#8221;, a quarantaine period, before letting them weigh high in search results: <a href="http://www.webpronews.com/ebusiness/sitepromotion/wpn-3-20040826WhatisTheGoogleSandboxEffect.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.webpronews.com/ebusiness/sitepromotion/wpn-3-20040826WhatisTheGoogleSandboxEffect.html</a></p>
<p><strong>On meta tags</strong>:<br />
They&#8217;re important because they help you to determine the way your entry is presented in a search results page.  But Google ignores meta tags for ranking.  And has been doing so for years:<br />
<a href="http://searchenginewatch.com/webmasters/article.php/2167931" rel="nofollow">http://searchenginewatch.com/webmasters/article.php/2167931</a></p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s a bit weird I&#8217;m arguing over this since you have won and the winner knows better anyway, but I wanted to at least clarify my points :-)  Enjoy the Ipod Shuffle!</p>
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		<title>By: Startplezier dude</title>
		<link>http://pascal.vanhecke.info/2006/03/10/sitedeals15-released-im-in/#comment-1951</link>
		<dc:creator>Startplezier dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me is number 1. :)

I agree this contest is something else than a real SEO for you're client’s.

I disagree with this conclusion:
- quality is more important than quantity, although quantity doesn’t hurt 

I think al backlinks doe mather! You have to find a mix of it. I would say:
quantity: 80%
quality: 20%

I disagree with dis conclusion:
- place your content on an already established domain with a high pagerank, preferably the same TLD as the search query 

I started a new startpage. 

-some on-page optimization can help, but is not really necessary

I think it is! Most of the people didn't use META tags. I think is IS necessary to use them. Why shouldn't you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me is number 1. :)</p>
<p>I agree this contest is something else than a real SEO for you&#8217;re client’s.</p>
<p>I disagree with this conclusion:<br />
- quality is more important than quantity, although quantity doesn’t hurt </p>
<p>I think al backlinks doe mather! You have to find a mix of it. I would say:<br />
quantity: 80%<br />
quality: 20%</p>
<p>I disagree with dis conclusion:<br />
- place your content on an already established domain with a high pagerank, preferably the same TLD as the search query </p>
<p>I started a new startpage. </p>
<p>-some on-page optimization can help, but is not really necessary</p>
<p>I think it is! Most of the people didn&#8217;t use META tags. I think is IS necessary to use them. Why shouldn&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: LVB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LVB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, a "hl=en" is automatically sneaking into my query in Firefox.  And yes, you are right, that has probably nothing to do with the Accept-Language header, but with the Google Preferences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, a &#8220;hl=en&#8221; is automatically sneaking into my query in Firefox.  And yes, you are right, that has probably nothing to do with the Accept-Language header, but with the Google Preferences.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for the language question:

only Google knows exactly of course, but my guess would be it is the page that  counts, not the site/domain. However, if you have two languages on the same  site, you might want to have a look at the internal link structure: for a Dutch-language  search query, links from English-language pages will probably count less (and  vice versa), so I assume you better have two separated navigational structures  per language - but that 's only natural, unless you assume your entire audience  is bilingual!

On lvb.net, English and Dutch link structures are separate, except for the  upper navigation. On my English-language blog on the other hand, the site-wide link in the navigation to my sitedeals-released  page probably didn't really help for a Dutch-language query, even when the page  itself was (partly) in Dutch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for the language question:</p>
<p>only Google knows exactly of course, but my guess would be it is the page that  counts, not the site/domain. However, if you have two languages on the same  site, you might want to have a look at the internal link structure: for a Dutch-language  search query, links from English-language pages will probably count less (and  vice versa), so I assume you better have two separated navigational structures  per language - but that &#8217;s only natural, unless you assume your entire audience  is bilingual!</p>
<p>On lvb.net, English and Dutch link structures are separate, except for the  upper navigation. On my English-language blog on the other hand, the site-wide link in the navigation to my sitedeals-released  page probably didn&#8217;t really help for a Dutch-language query, even when the page  itself was (partly) in Dutch.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
		<link>http://pascal.vanhecke.info/2006/03/10/sitedeals15-released-im-in/#comment-1204</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Luc,&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;I had noticed that Google.com results depend on the Accept-Language header  sent by the browser (see footnote of a &lt;a href="http://pascal.vanhecke.info/2006/03/10/sitedeals15-released-im-in/#comment-788" rel="nofollow"&gt;previous  comment&lt;/a&gt;). On my PC, IE7 sends &#34;nl-be&#34; (the Windows regional settings,  even if the browser build en the specified language in IE is English), and Firefox  sends &#34;Accept-Language: en-gb,en;q=0.5&#34; (as specified in Tools...  options... advanced... edit languages). Results of a &#34;naked&#34; request  like &lt;a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=sitedeals15%2Breleased" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.google.com/search?q=sitedeals15+released&lt;/a&gt;  will depend on this header, but if you add a parameter &#34;hl=&#34; for the  interface language, you should be able to control the results: &lt;a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=nl&#038;q=sitedeals15%2Breleased" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.google.com/search?hl=nl&#38;q=sitedeals15+released&lt;/a&gt;  and &lt;a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;q=sitedeals15%2Breleased" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#38;q=sitedeals15+released&lt;/a&gt;  give Dutch and English results, irrespective of browser and headers sent.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;I haven't been able to see this dependence for Google.nl - are you sure there's  is no hl=en parameter sneaking into your query? That would depend on the Google  preferences (cookie) not on the headers sent?&lt;br /&gt; Do you still get English results if you add &#34;hl=nl&#34;, so for the &lt;a href="http://www.google.nl/search?q=sitedeals15%2Breleased&#038;hl=nl" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.google.nl/search?q=sitedeals15+released&#38;hl=nl&lt;/a&gt;  query?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luc,</p>
<p>I had noticed that Google.com results depend on the Accept-Language header  sent by the browser (see footnote of a <a href="http://pascal.vanhecke.info/2006/03/10/sitedeals15-released-im-in/#comment-788" rel="nofollow">previous  comment</a>). On my PC, IE7 sends &quot;nl-be&quot; (the Windows regional settings,  even if the browser build en the specified language in IE is English), and Firefox  sends &quot;Accept-Language: en-gb,en;q=0.5&quot; (as specified in Tools&#8230;  options&#8230; advanced&#8230; edit languages). Results of a &quot;naked&quot; request  like <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=sitedeals15%2Breleased" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=sitedeals15+released</a>  will depend on this header, but if you add a parameter &quot;hl=&quot; for the  interface language, you should be able to control the results: <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=nl&#038;q=sitedeals15%2Breleased" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?hl=nl&amp;q=sitedeals15+released</a>  and <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;q=sitedeals15%2Breleased" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=sitedeals15+released</a>  give Dutch and English results, irrespective of browser and headers sent.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been able to see this dependence for Google.nl - are you sure there&#8217;s  is no hl=en parameter sneaking into your query? That would depend on the Google  preferences (cookie) not on the headers sent?<br /> Do you still get English results if you add &quot;hl=nl&quot;, so for the <a href="http://www.google.nl/search?q=sitedeals15%2Breleased&#038;hl=nl" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.nl/search?q=sitedeals15+released&amp;hl=nl</a>  query?</p>
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		<title>By: LVB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LVB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pascal, in my browser, you are still the first on Google.NL !!!   If you don't believe me, I can send you a screenshot. That's because in my browser settings, English is the preferred language.  So, it doesn't matter if you check at google.com or google.nl - it's the language setting of the browser  that determine the language weighting of the search results.

But of course, you are right, the language of the content is very important.  Which leaves me with this question: is it the language of the page, or the language of the site, or both.  If the language of the site itself matters, than non-unilingual sites (like LVB.net, which has Dutch and English pages) would always be handicapped in relation to SEO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pascal, in my browser, you are still the first on Google.NL !!!   If you don&#8217;t believe me, I can send you a screenshot. That&#8217;s because in my browser settings, English is the preferred language.  So, it doesn&#8217;t matter if you check at google.com or google.nl - it&#8217;s the language setting of the browser  that determine the language weighting of the search results.</p>
<p>But of course, you are right, the language of the content is very important.  Which leaves me with this question: is it the language of the page, or the language of the site, or both.  If the language of the site itself matters, than non-unilingual sites (like LVB.net, which has Dutch and English pages) would always be handicapped in relation to SEO.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
		<link>http://pascal.vanhecke.info/2006/03/10/sitedeals15-released-im-in/#comment-1199</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Game over since last week, and I didn't win, so no Ipod Suffle to give :-)

The result on April 1st was basically the same as on &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://pascal.vanhecke.info/2006/03/10/sitedeals15-released-im-in/#comment-788"&gt;my  first overview&lt;/a&gt;, though I had to cede my first on &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=sitedeals15+released"&gt;msn.com&lt;/a&gt;  to &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://lvb.net/item/2431"&gt;lvb&lt;/a&gt;. I removed all of the backlinks  on April 2d, but since Google is the slowest of all in updating its results,  I'm still first on &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;q=sitedeals15+released"&gt;Google.com&lt;/a&gt;  (at last with the /sitedeals15-released page, not with this blogpost!), but  nowhere near that in the actual contest on &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.google.nl/search?q=sitedeals15%2breleased"&gt;the  Dutch version&lt;/a&gt;.

Not only language does matter, also the country &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-level_domain"&gt;TLD&lt;/a&gt;:  percept-&lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://percept.be/"&gt;Bart&lt;/a&gt; was first on &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.google.be/search?q=sitedeals15%2Breleased"&gt;Google.be&lt;/a&gt;  on April 1, only second on Google.nl.

So, here are my conclusions on what you need in an SEO contest:
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;content in the language of the search query&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;some on-page optimization can help, but is not really necessary&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;place your content on an already established domain with a high pagerank,  preferably the same TLD as the search query&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;get backlinks&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;with the search keywords in the anchor text&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;from high pagerank  sites&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;from pages in the same language as the search query&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;quality is more important than quantity, although quantity doesn't  hurt&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
Note that &lt;em&gt;real&lt;/em&gt; SEO still is far different from a short-term contest  on a newly invented (often nonsensical) search query... In real SEO, you'll  have to promote (your client's) new domains, you 'll have to optimise for a  wide variety of existing search terms, and &lt;em&gt;the context of the backlinks&lt;/em&gt;  becomes crucial. Meaning: you need to get backlinks from sites that already  score high for search queries in your domain. And the best way to do that still  is... with good content :-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Game over since last week, and I didn&#8217;t win, so no Ipod Suffle to give :-)</p>
<p>The result on April 1st was basically the same as on <a rel="nofollow" href="http://pascal.vanhecke.info/2006/03/10/sitedeals15-released-im-in/#comment-788">my  first overview</a>, though I had to cede my first on <a rel="nofollow" href="http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=sitedeals15+released">msn.com</a>  to <a rel="nofollow" href="http://lvb.net/item/2431">lvb</a>. I removed all of the backlinks  on April 2d, but since Google is the slowest of all in updating its results,  I&#8217;m still first on <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;q=sitedeals15+released">Google.com</a>  (at last with the /sitedeals15-released page, not with this blogpost!), but  nowhere near that in the actual contest on <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.google.nl/search?q=sitedeals15%2breleased">the  Dutch version</a>.</p>
<p>Not only language does matter, also the country <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-level_domain">TLD</a>:  percept-<a rel="nofollow" href="http://percept.be/">Bart</a> was first on <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.google.be/search?q=sitedeals15%2Breleased">Google.be</a>  on April 1, only second on Google.nl.</p>
<p>So, here are my conclusions on what you need in an SEO contest:</p>
<ul>
<li>content in the language of the search query</li>
<li>some on-page optimization can help, but is not really necessary</li>
<li>place your content on an already established domain with a high pagerank,  preferably the same TLD as the search query</li>
<li>get backlinks</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>with the search keywords in the anchor text</li>
<li>from high pagerank  sites</li>
<li>from pages in the same language as the search query</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>quality is more important than quantity, although quantity doesn&#8217;t  hurt</li>
</ul>
<p>Note that <em>real</em> SEO still is far different from a short-term contest  on a newly invented (often nonsensical) search query&#8230; In real SEO, you&#8217;ll  have to promote (your client&#8217;s) new domains, you &#8216;ll have to optimise for a  wide variety of existing search terms, and <em>the context of the backlinks</em>  becomes crucial. Meaning: you need to get backlinks from sites that already  score high for search queries in your domain. And the best way to do that still  is&#8230; with good content :-).</p>
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		<title>By: Sitedeals15 released</title>
		<link>http://pascal.vanhecke.info/2006/03/10/sitedeals15-released-im-in/#comment-796</link>
		<dc:creator>Sitedeals15 released</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too. But you need to come on place 1 at the dutch version of Google?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too. But you need to come on place 1 at the dutch version of Google?</p>
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		<title>By: Startplezier dude</title>
		<link>http://pascal.vanhecke.info/2006/03/10/sitedeals15-released-im-in/#comment-795</link>
		<dc:creator>Startplezier dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice story. I enjoyed reading it. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice story. I enjoyed reading it. :)</p>
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